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Southern Summers and Northern Winters PodcasttranscriptEpisode 3
Anders
00:10
Now the recording is running. How are you?
Mark
00:16
I’m good. How are you?
Anders
00:17
I’m really good. Bye Anders. Bye.
Anders
00:24
That says bye. Winter’s kicking in. Really up until now we’ve been significantly above normal average temperature here in Central Europe for the season. But now, over the weekend, it’s sort of shifted.
Anders
00:46
And now, we’re where we should be on the average. So actually slightly below. So the first winter markets have opened here in the area.
Mark
01:00
So what temperature is it
Anders
01:02
at the moment it’s 6, 7 degrees celsius.
Mark
01:08
Well it is cold then isn’t it? It was 25 here today but it was 30 on the weekend so it’s starting to move northerly in temperature for us too. So, yeah, which is probably too hot.
Mark
01:24
I don’t know. 30 is okay. No hotter than 30. 25 is probably nice.
Anders
01:30
Yeah, it was kind of funny. The first time I saw you guys here in Munich, it was freezing winter. It was in January, I think you were traveling through.
Mark
01:41
Yeah, it was, because we were going to Iceland, I think, afterwards. Yeah, it would have been.
Anders
01:46
And that was, I mean, I wouldn’t say you look like a fish out of water, but it was certainly not your natural.
Mark
01:57
No, that’s 1 of the reasons why actually I have no great desire to travel in winter because I just don’t like the amount of layers that you’ve got to put on and put off and take on and take off. It really annoys me more than. But it’ll be winter in China when we go.
Mark
02:11
So I think it’s getting cooler. They had a look today where we’re lowest at 12 today and like only 2 months ago it was 30 something but it gets down to 2 I think. It’d actually be interesting to see if it snows. I’d like to see snow on a beach.
Mark
02:24
That would be
Anders
02:25
oh yeah
Mark
02:26
something different. I’ve never seen before.
Anders
02:28
No It’s not what you normally think of when you think of beaches, it’s not snow.
Mark
02:35
No, not at all.
Anders
02:37
But in
Mark
02:38
fact, yeah.
Anders
02:38
But if they
Mark
02:39
say it only snows a couple of days a year, it says where she is, so I’m not holding out hope that I’ll be all that lucky to see
Anders
02:46
it. Yeah, well, she might be able to get some shots of snow. Actually, maybe I can find it. Speaking of beaches and snow, I wouldn’t say it’s common in Denmark, but we have that.
Anders
03:01
I mean, it happens. Yeah. Yeah. So I actually have a few older photos.
Mark
03:06
I can tell you that it actually never happens in Australia.
Anders
03:11
There was there is a there is a mountain area north of Melbourne, where you do have ski area, don’t you?
Mark
03:22
Yeah, Mount Buller. Mount Buller is north of Melbourne. There’s about 3 I think 4.
Mark
03:27
There’s Mount Buller, Mount Hotham, Falls Creek is another 1 So they’re the 3 main ones in Victoria that yeah has snow but it’s it’s so Price prohibitive in Australia because it’s pretty exclusive. I think it’s like maybe 150 euro a day just for a lift pass. Oh. And that’s without hiring the skis and, you know, getting up there.
Mark
03:53
So it costs you around 300, $400 Australian. So it probably costs you 250 euros a day if you had to hire skis and, you know, and things like that. So it’s really, that’s really out of most people’s reach.
Anders
04:07
Absolutely. I think 150 euros would be for like a week in Austria.
Mark
04:14
Most definitely. Because the season is so short here too, I guess they’ve got to make, they’re trying to make their money. Why they can, like it’s, you know, at the best they probably get maybe 2 months, you know, of good snow if it’s a good winter, like, you know, so.
Anders
04:32
So you had to go to New Zealand to have to have proper winter New Zealand. Yeah, definitely. The New Zealand Alps on the South Island.
Mark
04:40
Definitely.
Anders
04:41
Yeah. Yeah. It was funny because we, Yeah, when we were in Australia visiting family, the kids in Melbourne, they had never seen snow and we were driving through 1 of these mountain areas 1 day with the whole family. And so we stopped because on a field, there were white snow and the kids, what’s that?
Anders
05:11
What’s that? They had never seen it. And for us Europeans, it’s just like, we don’t think much about it. Yeah.
Mark
05:19
Well, my kids had never seen snow until we went to Europe. So, yeah, we were driving through the Czech Republic. So, yeah, it was the first time they ever seen snow.
Mark
05:28
So,
Anders
05:29
well, I guess it’s the equivalent of people in Australia, in Queensland. I mean, if obviously you’ve seen a coral reef, we don’t hardly ever see that. We don’t ever see that here, but most kids maybe do not know what that is.
Anders
05:48
I mean, it’s,
Mark
05:49
it’s like when you watch a movie sometimes or something and it’s people going to see the ocean for the first time or her account fathom that because you know, the oceans, the ocean, you know, and I just assumed that everyone’s seen the ocean, but sometimes not everyone has, have they?
Anders
06:08
It’s 1 of the things, I grew up in Denmark and it’s a land country with a lot of coastal line, thousands of kilometers. And so I’m often asked if I miss something from Denmark, and it would be the coast, it would be the sea. Whereas people growing up here in Bavaria, southern Germany, I mean, we’re literally in the Alps.
Anders
06:42
And, you know, an ocean view is not something you have here. So it’s quite funny to think about, you know, what you think of being just something that you just have. And then once you don’t have it anymore, it’s just, oh, I really miss that. I never really appreciated living near the coast.
Mark
07:05
So would the Baltic be the closest to Munich?
Anders
07:11
The Baltic Sea, you mean? Yeah. Yeah, it’s called the Ostsee.
Anders
07:20
It is the Baltic Sea. Yeah, it’s called the, the, the OST sea. It’s yeah, it is the Baltic sea. Yeah.
Anders
07:21
It is the Baltic sea. Also, there’s a little bit of coastal line, in the, in the Atlantic actually on the Bremerhaven Hamburg, that entrance that side. Yeah. It’s actually the Atlantic.
Anders
07:37
Yeah. Okay. Excellent. Or the last part of the English channel, whatever you, yeah.
Mark
07:41
Whatever you
Anders
07:42
call it. Yeah, exactly.
Mark
07:43
It’s definitely.
Anders
07:44
So to the listeners, we’re already, why far away into our conversation, Mark. We didn’t have the proper introduction here. You are listening to Southern Summers and Northern Winters.
Anders
08:00
And Mark, have you had a good week since we last spoke?
Mark
08:07
I have. I haven’t done too much. I had, I worked all weekend and then I also spent 16, 000 euros on a new car.
Mark
08:17
So I don’t know whether you call it a good thing or a bad thing, but my bank account is certainly a little bit lighter than it was at the start of
Anders
08:25
the week. Are you happy with your purchase?
Mark
08:31
Well, I don’t even have it yet. So it’s still in a holding yard somewhere in Melbourne at the moment waiting for the truck to the nearest dealership where we bought it from and then they’ve got to make a few modifications, put a tow bar on it so I can tow a trailer and a few other specs. So I wanted a bonnet guard just to protect it from stones a little bit and things like that.
Mark
08:51
So once they get done and I hand over the remaining balance after the $500 I paid the other
Anders
08:59
day. Deposit.
Mark
09:01
Yeah, it should be all go but I mean look it’s like all things cars this guy who was at the dealership closest to me he’s like yeah I can do this and I can only give you you know this off so I went okay bang that I’m gonna ring some dealerships in Melbourne So I rang a couple in the city and they’re like, oh yeah, we can give you this, this, this, this, this, this and this. So I went OK. So I went back to this clown at the dealership that was closest to us.
Mark
09:26
And he said, hey, I can get all this in Melbourne for this price. And I don’t mind going to Melbourne. It’s only 2 hours away. I could easily get on train and go pick it up But then he’s like, oh, I’ll just talk to my sales manager and you know, and we’ll see what we can do and you know So then he come back and matched it.
Mark
09:41
So I was like,
Anders
09:42
okay Oh, she did that’s
Mark
09:43
that that’s pretty good. And then actually he rang me yesterday and he said the company who make the car, they’re having a 2024 plate run out. So there’s another $2, 000 off it.
Mark
09:54
So I was like, okay, that’s all good.
Anders
09:57
Well, that’s a good deal.
Mark
10:00
Yeah, it is. But other than that, I haven’t really been doing too much.
Anders
10:04
Okay. So I’m just thinking, you know, that amount, not to dwell too much on how expensive cars are. But I usually compare, You know, big amounts to what could I actually buy in airfare? What plane tickets?
Anders
10:22
Where would that take you? If you could take the entire family to somewhere nice?
Mark
10:29
Yeah, look, I could. I could probably get to, I’d probably take me to the 4 of us to Europe, twice, returned maybe from Australia and over again. So 2 returns in 1 1 way would possibly get us there Or if there was 4 of us here, but then I’d still probably have to spend another that much again to stay in Europe for a Month so I reckon yeah, actually I reckon that amountof euros also.
Mark
10:55
It’s 25. I’d probably get me Maybe 6 to 8 weeks in Europe I reckon if I if I was a little bit frugal on where I wanted to stay and what I was actually doing, that’d be the equivalent to that. But I needed a new car, and I wanted to buy a brand new car because I want it to last the next 15 years at least, and that’s generally how long I hold on to my cars. So if it can last me until I’m 65, 66, that should be enough that then I can just buy a little small two-door run around for me and the wife for the later years of life.
Mark
11:31
So that was the plan. I would have gone more on a car if I could be, like cars are all relative I think to price. So I spent $25, 000 Australian if it lasts me 15 years, I’d spend $50, 000 Australian if I can guarantee it would last me 25 years, you know what I mean? But they don’t.
Mark
11:47
As I get dearer, that is to our comfort and extras and perks, the things that make it look good. So
Anders
11:53
yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I know, of course you can’t always compare things, because where you live, you need a car.
Anders
12:03
Where I live, I don’t need a car. So it’s really 2 different worlds. And you can’t always say, you know, well, I could have airplane tickets for that price. Yeah, you could, but you do need a car.
Anders
12:16
So absolutely, I hear you. But it’s just funny to compare some says, oh yeah, that would get me there and there and there.
Mark
12:23
Yeah, no, most definitely. Don’t worry, I thought about that a few times.
Anders
12:28
You probably
Mark
12:28
turned on it as to whether to buy like a cheaper car, you know, second hand 1 worth maybe, Idon’t know, 6 or 8000 euros, like half price and, you know, and it comes to the same thing. I’m still going to have to turn it over again in 10 years and things like that.
Anders
12:43
So you’d probably have more maintenance on it as well. You would probably have repair costs.
Mark
12:49
Yeah, well this thing actually comes with a seven-year unlimited warranty. It comes with 5 years of capped price servicing, so that’s 1 a year at 10, 000 kilometres each and it comes with 5 years roadside assistance all included. So it was a pretty good bargain I think.
Mark
13:10
So that was 1 of the selling points of it. And they do that in Australia with the Chinese brands like that we’re buying because I think there’s a, there’s not so much a confidence thing in them, like the legacy brands yet at this stage. So they have to put out a big, you know, a big warranty and a lot of perks to sort of get people to go, well, okay, I don’t want a Volkswagen, or I don’t want a Ford, or, you know, I don’t want to whatever else is out there you know so you know the Chinese brand might be okay and I don’t think they are okay because all brands had to start somewhere at some stage didn’t they like yeah I think so
Anders
13:44
yeah The problem with where I’m sitting in Munich, it’s the… We have the BMW mothership here in the city. And BMW had, well, the German car industry at the moment, you know, they’re really having problems because they overslept basically the whole electric vehicle movement.
Anders
14:07
And they were too arrogant for too long. However, already a few as I said, 10 years ago, 15 years ago, BMW made such good cars that they had problems getting people to come into the repair, to the service dealerships because the cars, nothing was wrong. There was nothing wrong. They didn’t make any money on on spare parts
Mark
14:35
or Terrible for the consumer for once isn’t it? But yeah, I’ve been reading a fair bit about Volkswagen they’re having like a Kodak and Nokia moment trying to Not just not not not moving quick enough to with the trend like and
Anders
14:53
it’s not. Yeah, the signs were there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mark
14:58
The China they’ve got a long way to cover some of these brands because there is absolutely tons of flash looking electric vehicles and hybrids in China that no one’s even heard of that look out of this world.
Anders
15:09
Yeah, no, it’s, you know, they’re laying off people here in Germany. Yeah, at Volkswagen, I think it’s in the tens of thousands of people actually. And that’s just at Volkswagen.
Anders
15:24
Then you have all the side, the subcontractors and it’s a huge, huge thing in Germany and German economy is already struggling. Speaking of German economy, Lufthansa, which is our national airline, they have been in dire straits for decades. It feels like decades. There’s constantly something.
Anders
16:00
At the moment, there seems to be a little bit of a… They’re going steady and going OK, but yeah, it’s a mammoth. It’s tens of thousands
Mark
16:12
of… You know, I flew with Lufthansa in 2023 from… where did I fly from? Singapore to Frankfurt, from Frankfurt back to Singapore and if I could avoid them and never fly them again I certainly would. That was about how impressed I was with that flight.
Mark
16:34
The plane, I reckon, was about 25 years old. The food was terrible. The seats were uncomfortable. And the staff looked very much uninterested in what was going on.
Anders
16:46
Lufthansa, they have these leather seats. I never understood that. I don’t know if you have to sit in a plane seat for like more than an hour, leather is not, At least to me, to my body, to what I like, it’s just not comfortable.
Anders
17:05
Nah.
Mark
17:08
Like this thing we were flying on, it was a 747-800, which I don’t think they’ve made in a while. It’s like a double-decker 747, not quite like the A380, but I think it’s only first class. That’s maybe upstairs.
Mark
17:23
Like the screens wouldn’t work in 2 of the seats we have. The seat wouldn’t recline. It was broken. It was a nightmare.
Mark
17:34
I booked the flight when we were deep in COVID. So like, I got a really good price on it and that was why I booked it.
Anders
17:42
During that period, you were just happy to be able to book plane tickets and go somewhere.
Mark
17:48
That’s it. I mean, I’d say I wouldn’t fly again, but I’m all about the price. And I get there, while I’m on board, I complain and wind, and then I get off the other side and I go, it wasn’t that too bad really, was it?
Mark
18:01
We got here, that’s the art. That’s the main thing isn’t
Anders
18:04
it? How quickly you forget and forgive bad airlines. What’s your favourite airline, speaking of airlines?
Mark
18:14
Qatar for sure, they’re the best airline I’ve ever flown. I only flown with them once, but I have nothing but fantastic memories from flying with them. They had, it was a Boeing 777, so it was a two-aisle plane, which is good, because I hate flying single-aisle, double-aisle is certainly much better, and they had big, wide, comfy seats, and the food was good, and the drinks were good.
Mark
18:38
And actually, we flew Singapore last year, too, and Singapore were really really good as well So
Anders
18:42
yeah, and
Mark
18:42
a lot of these airlines always write really highly every year in the in the awards and I can actually see why. Qantas used to but I certainly wouldn’t rate them highly
Anders
18:56
anymore. Gone are those days,
Mark
18:58
yeah. Yeah, way gone. Way gone are those days. And I would actually say that it’s only because the government protect them here in Australia that they’ve probably still got a large market share because there’s really only 1 other airline to compete.
Mark
19:14
So And the federal government looks after them because they’re like, well, we need an airline if Australians are in trouble overseas and we need to send planes and things like that. So the Australian government certainly look after them. Qatar wanted to expand into Australia last year and the federal government blocked it. So Qantas are in their pocket and there’s no doubt about that.
Mark
19:34
So they, they look after them and hence their service has fallen and no 1 actually likes them. No one’s got much good to say about, about them anymore in Australia. Whereas once upon a time They were highly loved, but over COVID they did a lot of dodgy stuff like they booked flights that they knew weren’t going to go and took people’s money and they laid off workers and got fined for it. They went through a whole lot of really bad things during COVID to their workers, staff and the general public.
Mark
20:02
And in the end, they’re still trying to rebuild their reputation, I think, in the eyes of the Australian public.
Anders
20:09
Yeah. Yeah, but I can sort of understand. There’s something about having a national airline. In Denmark, Denmark is too small to have a competitive, huge national airline.
Anders
20:25
So they, you know, with the Swedes and the Norwegians, they, There’s some Scandinavian Airlines is sort of the thing. I think only the Swedes and the Danes are in it now. The Norwegians got out years ago. Imagine like the UK not having British Airways.
Anders
20:48
That would, it’s unthinkable. It’s unthinkable. It is, isn’t it? Yeah.
Anders
20:53
But yeah, so I had a good experience with Austrian airlines years ago. It was really, you know, having your meals served on proper plates and real utensils, and it was really nice. But I haven’t flown with them in years, so I have no idea if they’re still up to that game. But it was a nice experience.
Mark
21:19
This is a little bit off target, but talking about getting meals served on nice plates, I’m a bit partial to some chicken, so I’ve been to KFC in a few different countries, and if you go to KFC in Vietnam and you order in, it actually gets served on a proper plate with a knife and fork.
Anders
21:36
Oh nice, yeah.
Mark
21:40
Which is a little bit different.
Anders
21:42
Actually speaking of that, I mean it is more sustainable If you look at it from that point of view, instead of always having these throw away bins, sorry, packaging and the utensils and all that. It’s just nicer. If you go to Starbucks, you sit in, you used to get your coffee or tea in a proper cup.
Anders
22:13
I don’t know if that’s the thing everywhere, but still here in Munich, if you go in and you say, you know, I’m going to enjoy it here, you will get a proper cop.
Mark
22:25
Excellent. There’s not many Starbucks in Australia, so I don’t really know. I think last count there was only about 20 of them left in Australia. They are getting shown the door.
Mark
22:34
Australians are pretty much coffee snobs and Starbucks is not on their agenda a lot. So it’s overpriced.
Anders
22:45
It is overpriced. Not all
Mark
22:47
that flash. So they were nearly out of business at 1 stage. There’s only about 5 shops left in Australia at 1 stage about 6 or 7 years ago.
Mark
22:57
But I think they’ve rebuilt back to about 20 shops. But they’re all in touristy areas to obviously catch the tourists who love Starbucks. So same as in China, Starbucks is on the way out. I was reading the other day, they’re closing like half a dozen stores every week in China because China’s having a bit of a renaissance into Chinese brands.
Mark
23:18
They’re feeling very patriotic at the moment in China. So they, which has got a lot to do with the West, I think, picking on it, or picking on them, but there’s definitely a demeanor towards China that’s possibly not fair or fair, depending on whether you believe Western media or as Donald would say, the real media or the fake media as you call it. But they’ve got their own brand called Lackin Coffee and they’re exactly the same as Starbucks, do all the same sort of things, but it’s a Chinese brand and they charge half the price for it.
Anders
23:48
Yeah, there you go. There you go. It’s…
Anders
23:53
Yeah. I don’t know. I mean, I think in Germany, you pay, well, 6, up to 6 euros, maybe in 7 euros for a big latte which is insanely
Mark
24:10
that’s a lot of money
Anders
24:11
price yeah it is it is it’s really it’s crazy a
Mark
24:14
lot of money I’m trying to think probably average coffee in australia I would say at the moment probably, I would reckon probably around $6. So what’s that, maybe 3, maybe 3 euros, 3 and a half euros. In most places, Starbucks is probably more.
Mark
24:29
But if you just go to a local café somewhere, you’re probably paying around $6 for a cappuccino or a latte. Speaking of local, I actually had a look today to see how far Munich was from Mafra and it was 16, 282 kilometres away. Only further places away are in New Zealand.
Anders
24:53
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I remember that feeling when The first time I landed in Auckland, I made a Facebook note or something. I said, this is the furthest I’ve ever been away from home.
Anders
25:09
Yeah, Auckland
Mark
25:10
was about 18, 000 kilometers away.
Anders
25:16
Yeah. So, in general, we have not really discussed an overall topic for today’s, but I think we’re already well into airlines. But what about the whole, I think we more or less already touched base on it. But airport security in general, usually as a family traveler, you would probably not expect people to fly first class or priority check because that’s usually something that will cost you extra money.
Anders
25:59
But how do you feel about airport security these days? Has it eased up a little bit in Australia or is it still, because I remember it being quite strict?
Mark
26:10
I actually think it’s easier now that it once comes. Most definitely. I think that they’re more likely just to take your word these days, that if you say, hey, I don’t have anything, they just let you go through, whereas once upon a time they were more prone to, I think, checking your bags and things like that.
Mark
26:30
So, but these days, if you come in and you say, hey, I haven’t got anything, they’ll just say off you go and you’re out. But I remember early on though, they would actually if you said, you know, you’d say you’ve got something they would make you unpack your bag and show them. But now, now they’ll just ask and if you say, Hey, I’ve got like, I don’t know, a wooden statue that’s been treated and I got it from here or something like that. They’ll be like, yeah, okay.
Mark
26:54
No worries. Off you go. But, but yeah, it’s definitely got easier and so it’s got easier going out, outbound too. I don’t know that we spoke about this in the first podcast or not, but you don’t have to check, you don’t have to take your computers out of your bags anymore in Australia.
Anders
27:08
Yeah, true. The scanners have improved, so that’s easy. But in general, it’s just, yeah, it’s just, there are some airlines, you know, advertising here in Europe, you could say you get priority check-in and fast track and all of these things.
Anders
27:27
And yeah, I don’t know, at the end, Because Lufthansa, they had this for a while, but in the end, the passengers would end up at the same gate. Yeah. Well, the first class passengers, they do get a chance to go on board. And at some, I think it was business class, they had a completely separate entrance.
Mark
27:49
Entry, yeah.
Anders
27:50
Yeah. But still.
Mark
27:52
You go 1 side, economy go the other side.
Anders
27:56
But still, what I wanted to say with all this was just, you know, you end up waiting until the last passenger has boarded anyway, but maybe you can sit down and you can maybe have a glass of champagne or whatever, a glass of orange juice. But still, you know, you don’t get to your destination faster in any way. It’s just, it’s just, And it’s a very expensive glass of champagne.
Anders
28:19
Maybe you sit a little more comfortably, a little more leg room. But it’s just, I don’t know, it’s just the whole security, the whole priority you can pay your way through. I don’t buy that. It’s just not worth the money.
Mark
28:38
1 of the things that I actually do miss about travelling with my kids when they were younger is that families used to board first. I remember this. If you have kids under a certain age, they’d say, come to the front and you can board first.
Mark
28:52
So that was always good, especially when you are a parent and you were carrying bags and bags that were your kids as well. And You’d be rushing up there and be like, can you sit down, what do you need out of your bag? And I remember throwing bags up and I’m trying to get books out and tablets and things for the kids and then trying to get my stuff organized. And then there’s people come along the aisle and you’ve got to move sort of into the seat a bit and then move back out.
Mark
29:15
And we’re always worried about holding people up. And yeah, so it was a decent effort to get on.
Anders
29:21
How was your experience with other passengers when you have kids? What’s your experience with the tolerance, the patience from other passengers?
Mark
29:32
I think I’ve been pretty lucky really. Mainly I only really flew probably once when our kids were like a baby, babyish, and after that we sort of waited until, not for any other reason, but lack of funds. They were a little bit older, like 4 or 5, when we started flying, which was alright because they were easily able to amuse themselves with Screen times and things like this.
Mark
29:55
So there’s no real there was no real crying Going on at that stage for him. So that was lucky because look, you know, I’m a parent, but you know, if there’s a kid screaming on a plane, it really is hectic for you as a passenger. And it really is hectic for the parent too. You know, so it’s, yeah, I have some empathy for the parent, but I also have an understanding of these airlines that are now advertising flight-free, kid-free flights and kid-free areas on planes.
Mark
30:26
I don’t know how they can actually stop a kid’s sound from crying, but yeah, some airlines are doing kid-free or family-free areas. So I don’t know whether you’d have to, I don’t know how you would do that. Like you’d have to be at 1 end of the plane, but the pointy end of the plane is where the rich people sit. So I don’t actually know, but there is airlines, there is airlines doing this and I’m sure there’s quite a market out there, especially for people that don’t have kids and have never travelled with kids and don’t actually understand that we’re trying our best to keep our kids quiet because we don’t want them upset either.
Mark
30:59
We don’t want to upset you And them screaming upsets me just as much as it upsets you. So,
Anders
31:05
yeah, but that’s life. I’m completely on board with you there. As a parent, you do know what it’s like to sit there with a screaming child.
Anders
31:17
Although Anton was usually… He actually liked flying a lot. But still, I’m sure he bothered other passengers from time to time with, with whatever thing he was doing, kicking the seat or stuff like that. You know, Where my patients quickly runs out is when parents seem to do not care what their kids are doing.
Mark
31:45
I mean, They’re wanting someone else to parent them.
Anders
31:46
Yeah. Pay attention, really. At 1 time, it was actually not flying. It was going by train in Denmark.
Anders
31:54
There was 1 mom, she was alone with a kid. They sat opposite us and the kid was really not feeling well and ended up vomiting. And the mom had just fallen asleep. And the kid had really been loud for a while because he was feeling unwell, the daughter.
Anders
32:15
And I was just, come on, I mean, pay attention. Maybe you’re tired, you’re alone with your child. Maybe it’s been a long journey, I don’t know. But still, you know, it’s…
Mark
32:28
It’s your job.
Anders
32:29
It’s your job as a mom.
Mark
32:30
Yeah, it’s your responsibility, isn’t it? Like,
Anders
32:33
you know, it’s…
Mark
32:35
I Do certainly hear you though there they are there a Lot of parents seem to just be happy to ignore it Yeah, I come across this all the time, everywhere. Like we went out for dinner the other night, little local pub that we go to that’s not far from here in a town called Stratford, Stratford on the Avon in Australia, not Stratford on the Avon in England.
Anders
32:59
In England, though?
Mark
33:00
Yeah, we were sitting at this table and the parents were on the other side of us, directly over from us, but just directly next to us on the other side of the table as well, on the opposite side. So we were sort of in the middle. They were on 1 side And on the other side of our table was like some pinball machines.
Mark
33:19
And their kids are there just going absolutely crazy. And the parents are like, you could see them sitting over there just trying to ignore them as much as possible, you know, because they’re not annoying them. But, you know, they were certainly annoying the shit out of me, that was for sure. So…
Mark
33:37
And I felt like saying, look after those kids. But you know, I’m sure we’ve all had them parenting moments, but that’s life isn’t it?
Anders
33:48
Sometimes you just do what
Mark
33:49
you gotta do.
Anders
33:50
I think, you know, then this may be a good advice to others. You know, if you travel with your kid, at least make sure that… I know it can be exhausting, but in between flights and long travel days, make sure you rest, go somewhere where you can actually have some rest and feel renewed and rested before, so that you don’t fall asleep whilst your kid is annoying the hell out of other passengers.
Mark
34:22
Most definitely. This brings me to a whole other topic to deal with kids and flying, is that Parents who don’t book seats on planes but then expect other people to move from their seat to accommodate them so they can sit next to their children. Like I read about this a lot that, you know, they hope to just get on and all get seated next to each other because they don’t want to pay for seats.
Mark
34:50
And I understand that. That’s an added extra in the sales funnel that
Anders
34:54
airlines have. Oh, you mean because, I mean, okay, yeah, booking, so like a fixed seat. Yeah, fixed seats.
Mark
35:00
So a lot of budget airlines obviously don’t have the fixed seat, do they? So you need to pay for the fixed seat. And most of the budget airlines, if there’s 4 of you, they’re not going to sit you together because they want you to pay for the fixed seat.
Mark
35:12
Of course.
Anders
35:13
There’s no
Mark
35:14
way around it. So they’ll say, you sit in aisle 2 and you sit in aisle 6 and you sit in aisle 8 and you sit over there. And so…and I understand that, like I said, not everyone wants to pay for a seat, but I’ve had this experience before and I’ve read about it plenty of times where families get on a plane and they haven’t booked seats, but then they expect other people to move around to accommodate them so they can all sit together.
Mark
35:40
Which, you know, which I think is wrong. It’s wrong in both ways. It’s wrong for the airline to separate families to start off with but it’s then also wrong for families to expect people To move to accommodate them when this person may have Booked that seat for a reason they made a book the window seat because that’s where they like sitting or they may have booked the aisle seat because that’s where they’re sitting and it’s wrong that that person then should also have to possibly be responsible, not responsible, but should be responsible for your kid. If your kid’s sitting 5 rows back and you’re up the front, well, you’re certainly not looking after him, are you?
Mark
36:19
No, of course not. So the person who’s sitting next to him, you know, I wouldn’t say assumes the responsibility, but would feel that possible responsibility. And also sitting next to a little kid can possibly make you uncomfortable, I guess, if you’re, you know, if you’re
Anders
36:36
not used to having with a kid. Yeah, this
Mark
36:39
is it. This is it. And this doesn’t just happen with kids.
Mark
36:42
Like we were on a flight once where it was a smaller plane. So I think it was like a 3 and 3 with a single aisle down the middle. And Marley had a seat and this lady came up and said, my husband and I just got engaged and he’s sitting next to you, but I’m sitting down in the front. Will you move?
Mark
37:03
And I turned around and I said, no, no, no, no, she won’t move. Like you should have, why didn’t you book seats? You know, ah, you know, this and that. And I’m like, well, that’s not gonna happen.
Mark
37:11
I don’t care if you’re on a honeymoon. Like, you know, this is my daughter and she’s 5 and she’s not moving anywhere to sit next to your husband or your fiance. So it’s a strange quandary and I think some American airlines now have changed to allow families to sit together but a lot still haven’t. A lot want that seat money.
Anders
37:32
The thing is, I can understand from the airlines perspective because they want to make money, but in the end, many passengers will end up having a bad experience. And so what have you gained really? I mean, you should just include the fixed seat in the price.
Anders
37:55
Come on. It’s…
Mark
37:57
Yeah. It’s like everything today though. Everything feels like a sales funnel. You know, you start off with the base, but the base is never is never enough No matter what you’re buying whether it’s airfares cars, you know, you name it like there’s always Things that you need or things that need to be added on to it Like, you know, the The bottom line is never the bottom line anymore.
Mark
38:18
Like, you know,
Anders
38:19
it’s not. It’s not. I mean, if you want, if you only have carry on, and I think some airlines don’t even allow carry on anymore.
Anders
38:29
I think you have to you have to actually pay for your carry on and it can only be like 8 kilos or something like that.
Mark
38:35
And some are getting smaller. Some only allow 5 kilos now. You know, it’s all, it’s all yeah, you know, you book a budget airline.
Mark
38:42
Okay, so you’ve got to book a seat if you’re a family, then you’ve got to book luggage, then you’ve got to book food if it’s a long trip. Yeah. So it’s like,
Anders
38:50
you know, Forget about it. You can just go straight to the more expensive airlines. Yeah.
Mark
38:57
A lot of the times you can.
Anders
38:59
This is Actually, this is the reason why I don’t use budget car rental companies. Because for that specific reason is because I usually ended up paying more. Rentals.
Anders
39:13
It was just, you know, I do, I am annoyed with Sixt at the moment, although we are go-kart holders. But because they have been getting, after COVID and all, they’ve really gotten annoying with all their extra charges as well. I mean, even your spouse are not allowed to drive the car.
Mark
39:34
No, because there’s extra a day for your spouse.
Anders
39:37
A day, which is a lot for a whole month. Oh, definitely. I mean, so we usually, when we go to Denmark in the summer, we rent for 4 or 5, this year it was 5 weeks.
Anders
39:50
And it was, I mean, it would have cost us like, I don’t know, 20% extra for the entire, just to have her be able to drive once or twice, you know, because usually I’m the driver.
Mark
40:03
That’s bad, isn’t it?
Anders
40:04
And also the insurance is you have to pay extra for that.
Mark
40:10
And the excess, if you’re, you know, over the 4000 dollars or 5000 dollars, if you crash and you’ve got to pay, you know, all this. Yeah, that’s a really good prime example. Dist, this include everything, okay?
Mark
40:23
This is what I want to pay. This is what I want to know. What I want to be covered for everything. So, just give me the price for everything, okay?
Mark
40:31
And this is how they get a sale, because they know, you can look at it and you go, wow, that’s pretty cheap, isn’t it? Like, okay, That’s pretty good, but only I can drive You know, I’ve got no GPS. It won’t crash I’ve got no insurance if we’re crashing and I cost me more than that. I’m gonna pay $20, 000 excess Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and in the end you go Oh, it’s easier to take the train
Anders
40:51
Exactly, And sometimes you’re actually at the pick up and you almost have the key and you’re ready at home, your family’s packed, the suitcases are in the hallway, you’re just ready to go. And you’re at the pickup counter at 6th and they start to say, you know, well, you know what, you should really upgrade this and you should upgrade that. And if you’re in stress and you just want to go, I’ve had that.
Anders
41:21
And they said, you know, we can do this for just X amount of euros a day. And I didn’t think clearly at that moment because I ended up paying like 200 euros extra for whatever thing. And you know what, what you mentioned, no GPS. Well, most cars have GPS built in these days.
Anders
41:41
But if you want to be sure they, that’s when they have like extra 8 euros a day or something. If you want to make sure that you get it.
Mark
41:50
Yeah, for sure.
Anders
41:51
Come on. You know, and
Mark
41:53
then you can hire some like lounge chair, you know, like camping chairs, all these other different bits and pieces if you want, if you’re going here or there. Like, we rolled up at, We rolled up in New Zealand at Enterprise, it was, and I had booked a GPS and I rolled up and the lady’s like, no, we don’t have any of them behind the counter, because I just assumed it was, and that’s what it was on the form it was like do you want to go GPS to take yeah car
Anders
42:22
yeah I
Mark
42:22
mean in 1 way it worked out well because she goes an upgrade to a far better car that actually had a GPS built in but but but I was allowed to actually book you know a GPS to take in the card you know like a nav man or whatever they are yeah yeah yeah these days yeah but they didn’t actually stock them so she had to give me a rav4 instead of a Hyundai i30 so okay but but yeah so just 1 of them things again, you know, they’re trying to upsell you and then they don’t even have the product like, and what would have happened if I had a got there and they didn’t have 1? Like would I’ve got me me $10 a day back or me whatever it was?
Anders
42:58
Yeah, whatever. Yeah. Yeah.
Mark
42:59
And I’d already paid like, you know.
Anders
43:02
And you know what? The next thing what happened was they completely screwed it up this time, 6th, in terms of the billing. We had the car from early August to early September, so we crossed a month end.
Anders
43:17
And what they did was upfront, they charged you, they blocked the whole amount on your credit card. I knew that. I knew that. Plus some kind of extra fee, 300 euros in case something, you know.
Anders
43:32
So towards the end of the month, they finally… And this blocked amount is sort of released after a few days and then it’s blocked again once they really bill you. What they did then towards the end of the month of August is that they took the amount, the full amount of August and then apparently there were like 5 days into September that would be built in September. But what they did was that they once again blocked the full amount on our credit card as a standard procedure.
Anders
44:14
I said, Why? Because we literally owe you like 150 euros at this point in time, yet you block like 1500 euros on my credit card. Where’s the rationale here? I don’t understand.
Anders
44:29
Well, yeah, well, it’s standard procedure for long-term rentals. That may be a standard procedure for business clients or whatever, where it doesn’t really matter, but we’re a family on holiday. Come on.
Mark
44:44
Yeah, let’s see.
Anders
44:44
I’m 1500 euros out now.
Mark
44:47
Let’s see it. Are you paying my overdue, my overdrawn fee?
Anders
44:51
Yeah. They, they, they, they couldn’t care less. I, I complained, I complained and complained and I got the standard phrases all over every time I, yeah, we understand your concern, but our procedures are, yeah, I don’t care.
Mark
45:07
We strive
Anders
45:07
to improve. Yeah, whatever. No, they did.
Anders
45:11
Bottom line, they didn’t care. They had their procedures and that was it, you know.
Mark
45:15
You just a number in the queue, aren’t we?
Anders
45:18
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Be warned if you have long-term rentals Yeah, it can be It can be a stressful thing
Mark
45:26
hiring rental cars on something I’ve ever done a lot of which is quite surprisingly in all the Yeah, all the times I’ve traveled I reckon I’ve maybe hired less than,
Anders
45:37
less than a
Mark
45:37
dozen rental cars. I would say even probably only maybe 6 or 7, I reckon in, in reality, for a long time, I was scared to drive on the other side of the road. Like, cause you drive on the wrong side of the road.
Anders
45:50
So that
Mark
45:54
was a little bit confusing for me at the start. And I was sort of always a bit weary about, about doing that because yeah, just it’s a little bit challenging at the start, I must say. And luckily I had my wife with me because she’d be like, you’re drifting, you’re drifting, you’re drifting.
Anders
46:08
You know, you’re sort
Mark
46:10
of used to that side of the road. I think the first rental car I hired overseas was in the Algarve in Portugal. So, and I just hired a little Fiat Punto, I think it was, or something.
Mark
46:20
And it was quite a little zippy little car. So after that, yeah, it was okay. But I still just haven’t really found the need a lot Because we generally stay in the city a lot of
Anders
46:32
the time.
Mark
46:35
And you don’t need to. But in saying that, I have driven a lot in Europe because when we seen you in 2019, I’d been driving an old Volvo around for 6 months that we ended up driving basically from Scotland to Poland. So by the end of that, I would hand it driving on the wrong side of the road.
Mark
46:55
But never hired a rental car, I think for more than a week. And we hired 1 in Paris and drove from Paris to Freiburg and Luxembourg and then back to Paris and that was about it.
Anders
47:05
The Volvo was like a friend who? Yeah, it
Mark
47:08
was a friend from England. Okay. Okay.
Anders
47:11
It was a
Mark
47:11
mate in England lent it to us for, I think I had it for maybe 4 months or so that he had lent it to us. So I think cost, it was, but cost of fortune, though, the insurance was, the insurance was hectic because we didn’t have a permanent residence in Europe. I think the insurance was something like $200 Australian a month, so 120 euros a month or something for insurance.
Mark
47:37
Like, it was pretty much… It was on the high side. But I really didn’t have any other way to do it. And that’s the hard thing.
Mark
47:44
If you’re going… I don’t know how people do it in Australia, I must admit, because there’s a lot of backpackers that come to Australia and get vehicles. And I don’t actually know how they do it. Like because when I looked into it going overseas in Europe, like you had to have an address because if you got caught for speeding phones or things like that, they had to be able to send it somewhere.
Mark
48:01
So it was really hard to, it was really hard to get a car. So luckily this car was registered, my mate had it registered. So that was okay. But I don’t know what you would do if you just rolled up on a long-term trip and went to a car yard and said, okay, I want to buy a car to travel around in.
Mark
48:20
Like,
Anders
48:21
I don’t really know. We did actually rent camper vans in Australia and New Zealand for extensive periods, like 3 months. Yeah.
Anders
48:32
But I think we, maybe we paid, I honestly can’t remember if we paid like, like some of it upfront and the rest by return or something like that, because maybe we did. And then we would have to They did photocopy our driver’s licenses and credit cards. In case we got a speeding ticket or something, they would immediately just book it on our credit card.
Mark
48:58
But there’s definitely backpackers from like Germany and the UK who come to Australia and actually just go and buy a car like outright not rent it. Yes. But yeah,
Anders
49:07
but what I’m saying
Mark
49:07
is that I don’t know how I don’t know how I could have done that in Europe. I looked into it and I needed to have an address that said like a physical address. So Yeah, like I said, my mate lent me 1 and my other alternative was we had some other really good friends in Germany in Freiburg and he was going to buy me a car there and put in his name and same sort of deal.
Mark
49:28
But yeah, but I had to have a fixed address somewhere.
Anders
49:32
So yeah, wow.
Mark
49:34
1 of the mysteries of life. And you don’t really want to hire a car for 3 months like that, it costs you a small fortune.
Anders
49:39
Yeah, we were actually looking into that. But the problem was, because When we had decided to go to Australia and drive around for 3 months, we looked into this with buying a camper van and then selling it again upon exit. The problem was sometimes we read that some of these backpackers, they were losing a lot of money because people would speculate in this into this and they would wait until people were desperate,
Mark
50:14
desperate. Yeah,
Anders
50:15
because they were, they were leaving the country. Yeah, and then they would say okay. I’ll buy your car for Ridiculous fee you know yeah And
M
Mark
50:25
that’s that’s true. I could see that happening people would definitely do that they go You know If you’re leaving next week, what are you going to do with it if you haven’t sold it?
Anders
50:32
Yeah, exactly.
Mark
50:35
And I thought that too, if I had got a car in Europe, what would I have done with it? You know, would I have just went to the airport and left it in airport parking and flown away? Yeah,
Anders
50:45
Probably there are people who have done this because they said, yeah, I don’t know. So Alex said, you know, my wife, she said, you know, no, we’re renting. And then we, luck was that we actually, we got delayed some months.
Anders
51:04
We didn’t leave as early as we had thought we would. We were delayed a couple of months, which led us to travel somewhat off season Throughout the 12 months that we were around the world. So we were actually in Australia during the winter time and in New Zealand also during winter and spring. So we had a campervan for like $25 a day.
Anders
51:36
Which you couldn’t get a cheaper car.
Mark
51:39
Nah.
Anders
51:40
So that was our luck. Because actually towards the end of the New Zealand trip, We had it for $25 a day for 3 months, but we wanted to extend it for 3 or 5 days at the end. And then we got an offer from the rental company and it was like, you know, I think it was 3 or $400 for 4 days.
Anders
52:05
Are you kidding me? No, no, no. I think they do that.
Mark
52:08
I’ve had that with travel insurance. I think when we went away for like 13 months or what it was, I reckon I had travel insurance for 12 months and I reckon it was about $1, 200 I reckon and because it was going to expire we needed to extend it for another month. I reckon it was $500, nearly to extend it for a month when we’d only paid like $1, 100 for 12 months.
Mark
52:34
So, and they’ve got you because most travel insurance policies say you’ve got to start off in your home country. And if you’re not starting off in your home country, you’re already abroad.Sometimes it makes it a little bit harder to get that coverage. So, they screw you anyway they can, don’t they?
Anders
52:53
Yeah, yeah, no. Yeah, it’s already now, Mark, we are way into over an hour. So this
Mark
53:02
is- Already?
Anders
53:03
Yeah. This episode has been- Can’t
Mark
53:06
fault us.
Anders
53:07
Yeah, we’ve covered a lot of topics. Mark is the 1 dealing with our social media appearances. And you really…
Anders
53:20
I wanted to praise you a little bit for this, because you’re really good at finding the, I sometimes even forget what we talked about, because The conversation is just going along and you don’t really keep notes. But you are good at finding these sentences, taking them out, and highlighting what we’ve covered in the episode. So thank you very much for that Mark. It’s fine
Mark
53:49
I enjoy it.
Anders
53:50
Yeah sometimes you know did we talk about that? Yeah we did.
Mark
53:58
Yeah so since we’ve both traveled we’ve got plenty of photos. I’ve got plenty of photos of most of these places we talk about and things like that. So that makes it easier to add some text to them and put them out there.
Anders
54:11
Yeah. So this episode will be out soon and thank you to all our listeners. Mark, we’re still in lack of analytics. We still don’t have any, yeah, we don’t have any statistics.
Anders
54:26
So I don’t know how many people are listening to us, but We will soon have this. I think anything from a week to a month, delay, delay. I mean, you
Mark
54:36
know what? Doesn’t matter if anyone’s listening or not.
Anders
54:39
We have fun doing this. Yeah, that’s it. We definitely
Mark
54:42
have fun doing this. So yeah, so I’ve got what’s coming up this week for me not much. I’m going to Melbourne on Friday, I think so on the train Which I don’t normally do
Anders
54:52
Okay, what’s happening?
Mark
54:54
My wife wants to go to the Queen Victoria Market, which is a big Melbourne’s probably central. Yeah, it’s a market
Anders
55:01
I remember that yeah, we actually did bought groceries there when we stayed in Melbourne.
Mark
55:06
Yeah. Apparently last time she was there she sent some notebook that she thinks our daughters, The people she lives in China might like a couple of these notebooks. They’re leather-bound with Australia on the front of them or something. Because when we were there, we noticed they had notebooks and they kept notes.
Mark
55:23
So because we’re going to be there at Christmas time, she wants to go to Melbourne to buy a couple of these notebooks that are at the market with a leather bound cover. So we’re off to the Queen Victoria Market in Melbourne. On Friday we’ll probably get the train at about 7am in a town near us and it’ll take 2 and a half hours maybe. So then we’ll jump off and spend 4 or 5 hours running around the city and go back and a few things, jump back on and be home by 06:00 at night or something like that.
Mark
55:51
So, it’s something different.
Anders
55:53
It’s a nice place, the Queen Victoria Market. Speaking of leather notebooks, I have a couple of these and I enjoy them I bought them because they look nice and I And I also sometimes see people carrying these but yeah in the end. I just end up not using them
Mark
56:15
Also have some leather notebooks I Have a big not a big a for 1 but 1 that’s like half the size of A4 and then I have a little pocket 1 that my plan was that whenever we go traveling and I want to, for our websites, I want to remember some things, I should jot them down in a notepad and take these things home. But now I can just turn on my voice recorder on my phone
Anders
56:42
and speak into it. Just make a voice memo. Yeah, exactly.
Mark
56:45
Which is a little bit easier and I don’t have to carry a pen and I don’t have to find a pen in a bag and I don’t have a book and things like that. But it sounds good and it sounds, it doesn’t sound, it just sort of, it feels like you’re a bit of a writer if you’re walking around with your notepad taking notes and things like that.
Anders
57:05
It looks cool and you see people in the cafes and they sit there and like you say they jot things down. I want to do that too. I want to be cool.
Anders
57:14
So do I.
Mark
57:16
And I often say if you can’t be the part, look the part.
Anders
57:20
Yeah, exactly. Fake it, fake it till you make it.
Mark
57:22
Fake it till you make it. Yeah.
Anders
57:24
But yeah, I have 1 here. It’s just all dusty and I don’t use it. It’s just, yeah, yeah.
Anders
57:31
No, I definitely,
Mark
57:34
Okay. Anyway, folks, it was really good having a chat again and I hope someone’s tuning in and, but never fear, me and Anders will be back next
Anders
57:42
week. Absolutely, we will. We will talk some more. Thank you very much for listening and have a good week.
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